Musings

[kneeshooter]

My photographic career continues to offend far and wide... now I've had my first request from a band "not to share photographs of them without their consent".

Perhaps they should have thought about that before I took them rather than after...

In other news, lovely night last night with the ladies of York (plus steer) and now I am at a dull conference in Newcastle. Proper update later when I finish writing it - though of course I should wait for Thursday as is tradition.

BBC coverage of Infest is up, to mixed response, and is linked from infest_uk.

Comments

[jfs.livejournal.com]

And exactly how much did they pay you for the right to tell you where you might use your own IP?

[kneeshooter]

"I don't mind letting you know when I'm remember – and indeed I think you've got a pic in Alternative Mag (www.alternativemag.co.uk IIRC) – one of three they chose of Infest I think – but I can't check as I'm away this week.

However, I'm afraid that in general terms I'm not going to promise to give you any choice or control over distribution of pictures. I don't believe it's a practical or regional request. As s "public figure" and "performer" there are limitations on what you can expect. Certainly at an event like Infest there are no camera restrictions on what the public can bring into the venue it's unworkable as well as arguably unreasonable. From an "accredited photographer" perspective I signed an agreement that did not cover granting you those rights.

I suggest that if you do want more control over your image when performing that you consider insisting on these in written contracts in gigs – but I think you'll find that no editorial photographer will sign something that effectively hands over his or her rights to a third party (even if that third party is the subject) without being properly compensated. To be blunt, while acts like Metallica and The Darkness manage to insist on having their own photographer being the only one in the pit – I'd suggest you don't want to get to that position.

On the plus side I hope you appreciate that "any publicity is good publicity" and you're not going to lose sales over what you consider a dodgy photo – rather coverage in national websites and magazines is only going to increase the profile of yourself and your music."

[kneeshooter]

Pasted, typos included. I'm particularly impressed by the substitution of "regional" for "reasonable". Bet you wouldn't have guessed I was at a "regional" conference when I was typing it!!

[mister-ed.livejournal.com]

Perhaps you should stop photographing ugly bands then? ;)

(although we quite like your photographs.. so that just wouldn't do)

[kantti.livejournal.com]

I did wonder what a regional request was. Now I know.

[kissmeforlonger.livejournal.com]

*wonders who*

It was good to see you last night.

[kneeshooter]

And you. Was most relaxing and enjoyable.

[ayrton-nix.livejournal.com]

Thank you for doing the washing up this morning petal. Hope the conference isn't too onerous.

[kneeshooter]

Least I could do :-)

Thanks for having me.

[steer.livejournal.com]

Good to see you. It was a fun night.

Who the fuck are the band? Are the audience allowed to look at them during a gig? Honestly, get OVER yourselves.

[kneeshooter]

Insekt played in the dark at Dark City. I have a couple of crap photos on my site if you can be bothered to look.

The band? Ask Kriss/Nicki :-)

[adamw]

I'd love to know too, as they might complain about the rest of us with photos of them too!

(Feel free to e-mail me? ;D)

[steer.livejournal.com]

By the way, that performance of metamorphosis you were talking about, could you remind me of the name of the theatre?

[kneeshooter]

Lyric Hammersmith
http://www.lyric.co.uk/pl189.html

[jfs.livejournal.com]

We went to see it a couple of nights ago - it's a fantastic piece of theatre.

[steer.livejournal.com]

Bugger -- just noticed it finishes before I next go to London. Damn.

[darkstones.livejournal.com]

My understanding of UK copyright law was that as long as permission to take photos was granted, and subject to any special conditions of that permission, performer rights were only present in moving images rather than stills.

Of course the subject still has the usual rights for the images not to be used in a defamatory way.

The copyright laws vary from country to country, but if you're referring to a band complaining about your website, where there is no direct commercial aspect, I don't think they have much of a leg to stand on.

[kneeshooter]

They're not quoting the law at me - and indeed your understanding agrees with mine.

I would like to sell some more prints though in the future and better check the actual legals. Anyone know a good lawyer?!

[darkstones.livejournal.com]

I take your point - there's what's legally possible and then again there's the risk of getting a bad name.

Mark dark_claw is pretty up on photo copyright law.

[kneeshooter]

That's useful to know. Can you do me an introduction by email?

[darkstones.livejournal.com]

Done - I'll get back to you when I hear from him.

[kneeshooter]

That's useful to know. Can you do me an introduction by email?

[keris.livejournal.com]

BBC coverage of Infest is up, to mixed response

Wah, they don't like me! :(

Seeing as you linked to my LJ, I hope noone wanders by to tell me I smell...

[kneeshooter]

You'll be fine :-P

[keris.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know :)
I just tend to get sidetracked very easily and worry about silly things when work gets hectic and stressy :)